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phil.thornhill
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Maybe the government's greatest failure is in not effectively communicating the true gravity and urgency of the climate crisis to the general public.

Where are the hours of government sponsored prime time TV devoted to explaining the true nature and depth of the crisis? Where is the pamphlet in every home? Where is the multi-million pound poster campaign? Where is the solemn public address from the Prime Minister or the monarch declaring that we are in a state of 'climate emergency'?

Whichever of those you may favour - or not  - there is so much more the government could do to bring home to people the urgency of the situation. We know what a really determined government information campaign looks like - or what the government can do to really get society to pullt ogether towards a single overriding objective -  because we've seen it in wartime.

Its really not going to be possible to do the kind of things we need to do as a society until people really understand the true gravity and urgency of the situation. What should the government be doing to make that happen? You tell us.

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One approach is the http://www.letstalkgordon.org.uk/ suggestion for a televised public address by the Prime Minister on climate change.  This links to a Downing Street petition.

But why just one televised address?  Why not make it a regular thing, as were Churchill's radio addresses during World War II?  How about monthly, or every three weeks even?  It should not be as narrow as climate change anyway.  There are so many inter-related issues that need to be covered: technology, economic instruments, adaptation both here and elsewhere, re heatwaves, water scarcity, crop yields, sea levels, storms, tropical diseases; deforestation and biodiversity loss, peak oil, peak phosphorus, over-fishing, population, air quality.

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In my opinion, this (an information campaign) is probably the single most important thing the government could do, as any other radical changes will face a major barrier in terms of the gap in public understanding and support.

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Well, we do have a minister for Climate Change and he does seem to understand some of the issues. Other ministries and ministers fight their own corners and that's how we don't have a concerted government push. Mandy sees it all as a new marketing venture, full of big industry. We've got this embarrassingly huge high energy consuming civilisation, from coal fired power stations to NHS hospitals and vast superstores, linked by bustling transport systems. Our Gordon can't just say "Sorry, we got all that wrong, too" can he?

Yes, the Government needs to know and yes people can then be told, too, but the most effective way to spread information is from the bottom up and from person to person. Me, I never believe what the Government tells me. I like to work things out myself and talk to others about the issue. Then I really understand the subject. However, debate and information needs to go out and I reckon we should all be messengers and slow down society from within.

Trouble is, I do agree that the matter has become urgent. Maybe we can link a post economic collapse recovery into slowing the progress of climate change. So that's insulation, afforestation and much more arable, organic agriculture - using green manure crops cos there's far less livestock to release methane and waste good cropland.

 

Chris Hemmings

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YES

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The transition movement is the single most effective way of reaching and empowering people. What Chris says about 'slowing down society from within' is pretty much what the transitioners also believe. Going cold turkey before we actually are forced to is something that most would avoid, but, if educational films are shown which convey the reality of a post peak oil society, this will gradually affect a growing fraction of the population. I recommend Carbon Weevils (very wry humour, only 7 minutes long) for starters, and it should be compulsory viewing for all Members of Parliament,  nay all government departments. To get anywhere at all with the low-carbon agenda, we need to  to be able to stand back from the human condition and ridicule ourselves.

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Dear all the above, except the 'picture_this' lady.

We can't wait for Gordon Brown or anyone else in our 'Government' to do what's needed - they have their own and big business's interests at heart, not ours or The World's.

Chris Hemmings is a great spokesman for us.  As he rightly says - real change will only come from "the bottom up".  We need to spread the word through our friends, family, colleagues and neighbours.  If we can convince them to be realistically concerned for action against climate change, then we'll have the force of those holding the greatest power of all - The Electorate.

To the'picture_this' lady:-  Sorry, but you speak in a language too obtuse for my common man's brain to follow.

Neal Pearson

 

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Candidly I don't think you want an information campaign, i think you just want everyone else to agree with you.

Currently the theory of AGW is;

1.Taught in every school

2. In every paper

3. On every tv channel

etc etc

Yet for some reason many people still remain sceptical. A more worthwhile approach would be to ask why rather than attempt to brow beat people with more of the same.

 

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Dear Neal

I did not imagine that the meaning of my post was that obscure to even the 'common' man. You do know about The Transition Movement? I'm not going to bore you by explaining it here as I'm sure you do know about it. If not please visit http://www.transitiontowns.org/TransitionNetwork/TransitionCommunities 

A commonsense, bottom up and inspiring answer to a very practical problem.

Diana

 

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Dear Diana,

Thanks for your help.  The Carbon Weevils do seem to be starting a transition movement, not because they are worried about overrunning their biosphere's climate, but because they're approaching the summit of their "Peak Oil" and don't know how to become carbon independent weevils.

If only they could see that planning for the day when their carbon source starts to deplete is just delaying their transition, then they might choose a more drastic economy now as being the lesser of two weevils.

Regards, Neal Pearson

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P.S.  from Neal

I didn't mean my comments above to sound so critical of those who are already on the green side of the palette.

I applaud the work of all those involved in "The Transition Movement";  I'm just impatient for actions that will actually make a real difference to CO2 levels now rather than in twenty plus years time.  We've known about "global warming" for 40 years and so far done practically nothing about it except talk.

I just find any progress to the drastic solutions we need so very  S L O W  !  and I get somewhat pessimistic.

Regards to all who mean well though,  Neal Pearson.

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I think you'll find that the Transition Movement is precisely the one choosing the more drastic economy now and members are just as concerned about climate change as peak oil. There's plenty of information out there so I won't insult your intelligence by providing a link. (PS Great pun.)

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Hm, I wonder if Havana might be called the first "Transition City". But in the UK? London - see all those turf roofs - or Sheffield but it's got a way to go yet. Bare Lee Sane (Blues guitarist?) is right - most kids know loads of zany climate facts. It's the new dinosaurs, probably! But they'll not change much for twenty years, you know. As for the media, I think they kind of neutralise so many stories, cos they're always so desperate you kind of filter it (eg pictures of polar bears on ice bergs - they do that, you know, so where's the story?).

So, as we can't yet see much climate change in our own back gardens or on the beaches, we must look at scientific measuements, like atmospheric carbon dioxide levels or like ice flo measurements or careful botanical observations. In this way many of us are convinced an alarming situation exists but I can understand why there are many unconcerned people walking the streets. They've got more pressing issues. Like redundancy or food or a roof over their heads. Or that holiday in Barbados, I guess!

I don't believe in a tipping point tho there may be positive feed backs developing - contrary to Gaeia theory -  but we mustn't panic. The Government - until we can make it a Green one - is largely irrelevant. Their publicity campaigns will just be ignored so why bother trying to persuade them to run them? Watch "Fanshen", if you haven't already, and go on spreading the evidence. Use the internet but don't sensationalise - just tell it like it is and momentum will build up sustainably. All you transitioners keep at it - people will soon see it works and the system will snowball. By the way, why even talk of peak oil - that topic is so irrelevant!

Chris Hemmings

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Informing the Public re Climate Change

Having watched last night's Newsnight on BBC2 (did anyone else see this?), there was a general conclusion amongst the audience that the UK Government has shown insufficient leadership. Consequently, the general public remain confused re climate change, what to do about it and even whether it's really as big an issue as has been made out.

The Government really does need to communicate the issue more effectively, in terms of action and not just talk.  The obvious answer is for the Governement to define its objective (e.g. To achieve x% reduction in UK CO2 emissions by the year yyyy), along with its targets, how it intends to achieve those targets, and how it has performed to date in meeting those targets.  It would make sense to update these targets, actions and performance data on a quarterly basis, thus highlighting the seasonal variations in energy consumption.  These quarterly updates should be broadcast nationwide and should be as simple and concise as possible, i.e. the public wants complete honesty and transparency.  Importantly, the Government should work with all elected political parties to ensure that these commitments will be passed on to any future Government after an election.

In conjunction with these updates, it is essential to introduce a quarterly climate change budget, setting out how the intended actions will be financed.  There has to be carrot as well as stick, e.g. tax rebates for use of sustainable fuel sources, funded from increased taxes in fossil fuel usage.

Such a commitment would show the rest of the World that the UK really does take Climate Change seriously, and is prepared to show leadership.  This would set a good example for the rest of the World to follow.

What do others think of these ideas?

Regards,

Tony

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im sorry to put this so bluntly " as im only a comman man with no degrees or other god like knowledge" but the more you bang on about how this is going to distroy us all the less we will listen.

the best way to take people like me with you is to suggest way to slove the problem and save money at the same time or save time.    if as the advert say we all drive 5 miles less we can save the planet - this just sound so stupid that it will never be believed

i have a idea on how to make electricity without using oil gas coal or nuclear and is a 24/7 output with no emmission put as with alot of people like me we have ideas but no idea how to use them.

use the people out here we all have brains please treat us like we do and that is more likely to carry us with you than push us way.

sorry if i have upset anyone as this was not my intention

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In my view there are three important parts to this:

1.  Public information campaign led by a series of broadcast addresses (see my comment #1 above)

2.  Interactive teach-ins of small groups of people, of the kind shown on Newsight.  Not necessarily with the same props, but going on for longer than shown.  The object would be that the public is more welcoming/demanding of Government-led equitable measures to cut emissions and manage resource use.  This may turn out to be more successful in influencing the waverers and those inclining to support emissions-saving than the strongest sceptics.  This seemed to be the experience of the Newsnight exercise: the one person who clearly wasn't persuaded was demanding to know how much of the CO2 increase was natural, even after hearing how the current level was way above that found in ice-core for '00,000's of years.

3.  Promotion of specific emissions-saving measures, e.g. via home energy audits, use of smart meters.  Here I agree there needs to be an accent on the self-interest value of doing them, but not always e.g. proper recycling does not stem merely from self-interest.

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A BBC News survey has found scepticism about climate change to have risen - 25% of UK respondents did not think global warming was happening, and only 26% of those asked believed climate change was happening and "now established as largely man-made".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8500443.stm

Does this not suggest that an information campaign is the most important of all the 'Climate Emergency' demands?  Otherwise, the general public will be unlikely to accept any other radical changes.

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Unfortunately, the political and corporate class who we are asking to lead an information campaign have just discredited themselves in full public view.   They have robbed us blind, flaunted their own excessive consumption, and then, having told us all at the start of COP15 that we MUST act now to avert a total catastrophe, they have failed to do ANYTHING meaningful at all.   It doesn't inspire confidence.  Campaigners tell us we need to do more to make the government act, but millions have no faith in their governments, and there is no reason after Copenhagen why they should. 

So we have a situation where the mass of people feel powerless to do anything to avoid a life-threatening situation.  At this point , the well co-ordinated efforts of sceptics, PR firms and ill-informed bloggers to undermine the feeling of consensus get more attractive.  If you want to get on with your life in the present, it's more comfortable to believe that there are serious doubts about the science, and it's easy to suggest that this is all a scam for the rich to get richer and the state to fleece the tax-payer - because that's exactly how it looks when you make saving the biosphere the responsibility of corporate executives, financiers, and national governments.  The needs of the economic system they administer are fundamentally at odds with the needs of the ecological system that sustains all life.

I think that's why "climate change scepticism" has increased.  People's "belief" will fluctuate depending on how imminent the threat seems and how empowered we feel to do anything about it.  In my opinion, rather than spending any more energy on asking the owners and rulers to do more, we climate activists need to get clear that the task of averting runaway climate change is the task of transforming our whole society - there are many reasons why Capitalism is no longer sustainable, and climate change is one of them.  Peak oil may or may not be another one.  But the key thing is to decouple combatting climate change from the posturing and hypocracy of the wealthy elite, and link it instead to the fight against exploitation, injustice, insecurity, homelessness, war, oppression and the like.  

Many of us have tried to get the capitalist system to act on climate change because it seemed like we just didn't have time to organise a revolutionary movement - the revolution would have to wait.   For a while, the people with economic power seemed to be listening - they said all the right things and made big pledges.  But now we can see that capitalism has just co-opted our arguements for it's own ends.  The ecological destruction continues, and our enslavement to the system makes any meaningful personal action impossible.

The working people of the world - which includes all the brilliant technologists, designers and engineers we need - will have to take control of the situation, and we can only do that by empowering a popular movement which DEMANDS action, and backs that demand up by action in the workplace and on the streets.   It's a big ask, but to my mind it's the only option left, and it may be alot easier than it looks, if we can align ourselves with the popular mood rather than acting at odds with it.

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I agree that an information campaign is of utmost importance - it's essential that the inaccurate statements peddled by the deniers are publicly responded to as soon as possible in as loud a voice as possible, it's because that they've gone unchallenged that public opinion on climate change has changed.

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Theo, "If you want to get on with your life in the present, it's more comfortable to believe that there are serious doubts about the science" - I agree, this is the biggest weapon of the 'climate sceptics'.

 

The 'popular mood' may be helplessness and/or suspicion about climate change, but it is certainly not demanding a socialist revolution.  Most people in this country think the current system is not ideal, but it allows them to get on with their life.  We are, after all, unless something very unexpected happens, about to elect a Conservative government.  So, "aligning with the popular mood" means something quite different to me.

 

The challenge, as well as inspiring the radicals to take action, is to get the majority of people (those who are naturally conservative, with a small c) to accept the science and distrust the deniers.  Specifically, in relation to a government-run information campaign, you are right that many people distrust government, but their silence gives weight to the sceptics' arguments.  It is easy to infer that "If it was that serious, then the government would tell us / would be doing more about it."  

 

I do agree that the current world order / capitalist system is a major part of the problem, but most people don't.  How can they be brought to see the big picture and the injustice inherent in a system which is taken for granted?  Honestly, I don't know...

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This is becoming a slightly tricky one because whoever is in Government will be worried about provoking a backlash and being seen as the ones lecturing people that they should welcome tax rises, road pricing etc.  The situation was easier for Winston Churchill's wartime radio broadcasts because there was a national consensus about the need for a war effort and a national unity government.  

It would help greatly if such a project were organized and declared as a cross-parliamentary effort , with a board including opposition politicians and leading scientists who would also feature.

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Further to my last point, asking the public whether or not they believe climate change is happening is a waste of time. As if Joe Public is somehow more qualified to talk about climate change than scientists? I think not. A better news article, one reflective of the actual science would be to ask the scientists whether or not they think climate change is man made. You'd get a lot more saying yes than you would the unquailfied knuckle-dragging, Sun reading simpletons that make up large parts of the UK population.

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Dear Theo, anton, Claire James & jimroland,

It's such a pity that we have to convince anyone of climate-change being real.

I feel so sorry for those future generations that will suffer so from our generation's carbon-squandering.  

It helps us feel better to record our sooth-saying, but only direct action now can have any real benefit for our descendents!

Shouldn't we just ignore the current sceptics and get on with positive actions, rather than dwelling on trying to convince the die-hards?  Once the ostriches remove their heads from the sand, they will suddenly see the truth behind, and the benefits of:-  the new green, blossoming economy, and will want to climb on board too !

Let's concentrate on moving forward - the sceptics will eventually have to catch up to what's really going on or get left behind!

Love, Neal Pearson.

 

 

 

 

 

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Because Anton, Joe Public are the ones who will have to adjust their lifestyles and pay for it, hence why you need them on board.

Incidently, referring to Joe Public as "unquailfied knuckle-dragging, Sun reading simpletons that make up large parts of the UK population" is probably the fastest way to lose Joe Public as well as betraying a breathtaking arrogance and superiority complex.

 

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Of course, it would be great for Joe Public to get on board, but if they haven't got it by now, I don't think they'll ever get it. I defy anyone with half a brain and half a heart not to read an article on climate change and think "this is really, really serious".

So I don't care if they like it or not, we really don't have a choice but to take serious action on climate change. The alternative is not an acceptable outcome.

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I agree Theo, which is why we should think seriously about merging with the Climate Justice movement, who have also developed a similar understanding that the fight against climate change is nothing more nor less than a fight against capitalism.

Claire, most people do see the injustice of the system (consider how people react to the bankers' bonuses as an example) but feel powerless to do anything about it.   The more they see other people engaging in struggle, the more confident people will feel to fight for justice.

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I suspect this will get disagreed with but i definately have more than half a brain and half a heart, and i'm firmly sceptical that CO2 emission are or will be a serious threat. I've seen the scare stories in the media, listened to the science, investigated on my own, and so far the only conclusion i can reliably draw is we've seen an increase in temperature over the last century (probably), cause unknown. CO2 likely plays a part, but natural factors (variablity and feedbacks) have yet to be adequately qualified or quantifed.

Many others hold the same views, how would you "get us on board"? (and if you don't the point still stands, you'll have one hell of a job getting the changes/money you want without popular opinion).

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Just went on You and Yours (Radio 4) and said roughly the following (though i got cut short before the positive bit at the end!).  Many excellent contributions on air.  The core of our movement is very well informed and wise.

"The rise in climate scepticism reflects the rise in our own sense of powerlessness. When we are presented with a wide range of views we tend to believe the one that makes us feel safest. 
 
Most of us feel insecure enough about the immediate future without having to worry about something which will really hit us a few years down the line, so we'd rather believe the claims of the sceptics (like "volcanos emit more CO2").  
 
We don't have the time or inclination to do our own research  , but we do know that we don't trust the ruling elite to tell us the truth or to act without an ulterior motive.  It's even worse after Copenhagen, when having told us that we must take global action, our leaders have failed to do anything at all! 
 
That puts the rest of us in what feels like an impossible position.   It's easy for sceptics to suggest that it's all a scam because that's what people want to believe, AND, climate change has clearly been used by the rich as another way to make money out of the rest of us. 
 
Right now, the science is a victim of what is really a deeper mistrust in our rulers. But in the long term the reality of our effect on the atmosphere will be unavoidable.   If climate activists like us can help to build a new social movement around creating climate jobs, future energy security, and transforming public transport, the pendulum will swing back the other way."
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Claire - you make very interesting points.   The reason we may get a tory government is the same reason we've got an apparent rise in climate scepticism - it's not from well-researched political understanding, more from a mood of disillusion in the present - although ironically, whoever is "in power",  the citizens will end up being disillusioned again because of what you call "the injustice inherent in the system".    You ask "How can they be brought to see the big picture?" - I think we all get it by the same route, we learn through  experience.    Our task is to get popular energy behind demands which would not only mitigate cc, but also improve our immediate lives.  In the course of trying to get completely rational needs met, we quickly see what the limits of the profit system are.   Why can't we have fully integrated public transport for all?   Why can't we have energy and food security, thriving local economies, energy efficient products which are built to last, and a million "climate jobs"?

People may be naturally conservative - our family's safety is the bottom line. But we also get very inspired by visions of a better world when we feel our own power in action - that is what gives us hope and heroism and human solidarity - as soon as we believe that we could actually win.   I saw this process in miniature during the Vestas struggle.

By the way ANTON, the image of working class people as knuckle-dragging sun readers is exactly the kind of desperate attitude we need to address within our movement if we are to have any hope of transforming the situation.   If people havn't got the same perceptions as us there are reasons in their own experience for the attitudes they have.   My attitude as an activist is "If they're not with me yet, then I am failing them - I need to get to know them and become their ally, if i want them to become my ally".   For sure, I'm not going to get very far without the majority of humanity by my side.

 

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NEWS POLITICS AND THE PEOPLE The UN was investigating President Putin for monopolising the media in the run up to Russian elections. We seem to have the same problem in this country with the people being given 3 "Main" parties to choose from through national media. We are the people; we should stand united for our rights, as fathers, mothers brothers and sisters, for this is our country, and our future, which has and will be formed by the input of the masses. The Politicians who are in the main running for the next general election, once again do not represent the people of the UK, in reality they seem to represent banks, large businesses and themselves, with accountability and duty of care taking a back seat. Let’s face it, the only time you see their face is when they want your signature. It would seem that councils and MPs are only interested in taking more and more of your hard earned money, giving little or nothing in return. I believe in the people and their dreams, but in truth, with all of these main party politicians, I see no real duty of care, no forward planning for the growth of our Nation, moreover I see these main politicians and their self inclusive associates milking everyone. Let us remember, and not forget that they make up the rules for themselves, not for you or me, this is one of the main problems with many old and new laws acting as sources for their coffers rather than justice for the people. How does one finish a statement like this? Seems best to say "We the People". Love people and I tire of seeing the vast majority, for many generations, paying for the lushness and high class lifestyles of the minority. I would like to represent the people, but not by joining the houses of Parliament and their self inclusive outdated practices. These days the trouble with being a politician is that you have to join a body that, by the very nature of the beast, as we are increasingly seeing, is a dishonourable practice, with the benefit of the people not being at the centre of its house. Sure there’s a few MPs and councilors who want to represent the people and probably have their heart in the right place, but when push comes to shove, nothing really changes as they are part of a system that is inherently flawed due to its self righteous stance and distance from the real people, the one’s they are supposed to serve in the real world.. It is not so hard for us to see what is really going on. Regarding their self imposed expenses claims, it seems that very few are being sacked or prosecuted for fraud or embezzlement of your money, but if it was you who had done this, you would probably be sent to prison sooner rather than later. Let us also remember that the Politicians made up these rules and regulations for their expenses claims. As they do so often with so many of their rulings, they never consult the population. For far too long, these elitists who call themselves honourable have favoured no one but themselves, sacrificing many for the few. When the elitist Monarchy were over thrown, Oliver Cromwell talked the people up, but not for revolution, only rebellion, with him and his cohorts forming another select elitist group/s, with the people still in the background. The people should be put in the foreground as it is their time and labour that creates the economy. Think about it, every pound you spend, the government takes 17.5 pence as tax, then you’ve got your wages, the amount taken depends on what you earn, but either way, what do the masses get for their law enforced payments? There seems to be no end to the greed of MPs and Councilors, and no end in sight for these constant, “Make it up as they go” revenue collections. Road Tax, petrol tax, licences, parking regulations, new parking charges. For several years councils have charged people to park outside of their own houses, on average this costs £99 for 12 months In Camden 37,000 permits were issued to fill 22,500 spaces, this seems ludicrous and very irregular. Even though this is the case let’s do the maths on that one 99 X 37,000 = £3663000 per year The people are told that the charges pay for the administration of the parking regulators, yet when we look at the revenues they raise from the vehicle tow trucks plus the additional costs of getting your vehicle out of their compounds, these costs in themselves would pay for administration. This is an excellent example of how councils and politicians are just slapping you in the face with more and more demands, and then there’s that Poll Tax, or is it community charge, what have you seen done for the communities with these revenues, another hospital cut back, increasing fares, cuts in services, bad housing, the closing of youth facilities the list is quite long. When one stops to think about the movement of money, think how much money is going out of your pockets and into theirs . We are talking billions. We ran a check on one topic, though there were many that would also yield substantial amounts raised (taken) by councils and politicians, we checked parking fines in Camden for the year 2003/2004 Number of Penalty Charge Notices Issued by London Borough of Camden 467,683 Remember we are only looking at one year of parking fines nothing else The cost of a parking ticket fine is £60; let’s do the maths on that one 60 X 467,683 = £28060980 The population of Camden at this time was roughly 210,000 If we divide these revenues between the residents it works out at £28060980 Divided by 210,000 = £133.62p each household. Though this may not be a lot per household if the amount was spent within the community, which would be enough for people to forgo their resident permit payment and leave quite a substantial amount that could be used to bring benefit to the community. As you will see, this is just one example of the vast amount of your money being taken. If you think that we need a new and honest representation of the people you will not find it in the Houses of Parliament nor within the House of Lords, it is more likely you will find it with your friends, family and the people of the United Kingdom., for it is the people who make it all work. You must never forget this and you should make sure that the MPs and Councillors don’t forget their undertaking to you the people. Unite for what is right, your rights.
 
 
 
 

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Theo, I didn't mention working class people in my post. You obviously associate the working class people that you rate so highly as being knuckle-dragging Sun readers. That's certainly not a good way to win them over.

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