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Where do I begin ? After watching "THE GREAT GLOBAL WARMING SWINDLE" on Channel 4 this evening with growing disbelief, and much shaking of the head, I came to the conclusion that the film itself is the swindle

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http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/G/great_global_warming_swindle/index.html

I decided to start by deconstructing the GRAPHS shown in the film, but there is more, much more, to upick. I really don't know how a major TV Channel allowed the Film to be peddled, without checking out the basic facts, unless they too are part of the great swindle. Here are just a few of the incredible errors :-

1. The Legendary Medieval Warming Period

The graph that was used in the film seemed to be based on a chart for localised European temperatures that was constructed about 15 years ago. When you look at more data sources, from a variety of proxy and direct measurements, and look more globally, the Medieval Warming Period is seem as a true bubble in a small teacup compared to very recent global average temperature change. The science has moved on. Why are people still stuck in the past over the legendary MWP ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ipcc7.1-mann-moberg.png

red line = IPCC 1999
blue line = IPCC TAR 2001
black line = Moberg et al 2005

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c1/2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png

2. The Fabled Little Ice Age

Again, it seems that cooling was mostly in Europe, and since that was where the majority of people lived at that time, it's not surprising that all anecdotal evidence is about cooling. If you look at more data sources, from a variety of proxy and direct measurements, globally the temperature can be smoothed quite remarkably, and the LIA is seen to be a mere passing phase of no great magnitude, unlike what is happening now in terms of Global Warming :-

http://www.pages2005.org/mediaroom/paperpics/mann1.gif

http://www.usefulinfo.co.uk/images/cetann.gif

Also, there are a number of human-related factors that could have helped to create the Little Ice Age, from the mass burning of trees for industrial purposes, to changes in agriculture.

http://www.atmos.washington.edu/2004Q4/211/hockey_etal.gif

3. The Holocene Maximum

So, like 8,000 to 10,000 years ago, the Earth started to heat up and became warmer than it was today ? You got Global Warming at around the time of the first major attempts at human civilisation, when humans started to cut down trees to burn, and plant crops...oh yes, maybe humans had something to do with this...It's not true to say that humans had no impact on Greenhouse Gases in the atmosphere until they started to burn Fossil Fuels.

http://www.ace.mmu.ac.uk/Resources/gcc/figures/5_18.html

4. The Post-War Cooling Period

It depends on which data you look at, as to whether the Post-War Cooling Period was four decades of consistent decline in temperatures or not - and again - on the global scale is less of a downwards trend than a plateau :-

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/hadleycentre/obsdata/globaltemperature.html


http://www.actewagl.com.au/education/...

http://www.theoildrum.com/uploads/12/global_temperature.jpg

http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/figspm-1.htm

http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcet/graphs/HadCET_graph_ylybars_uptodate.gif

The period after the Second World War was clearly a time of great industrialisation, and enormous particulate emissions, which have now been shown to cause Global Dimming, the dirt in the air acting as light shields, reducing the warming effect of the Sun's radiance :-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/dimming_prog_summary.shtml

As the makers of the programme point out, since the 1970s global temperatures have been rising - which neatly coincides with the attempts by the industrialised countries to clean up their act. Cleaner air means more incident radiation on the oceans and land which means more global warming. What we are seeing now is the true impact of increased Carbon Dioxide emissions on the Greenhouse Effect. One major blip being the particulate emissions in Asia, which are perhaps preventing full Carbon Dioxide induced warming, but are contributing in their own way to warming and drought and storms :-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6421303.stm

In summary, their use of old/localised graphs does no favours to the film makers, and their simplistic arguments do nothing for their case.

If you were to follow the argument put forward by Timothy Ball in the Swindle Film, that Carbon Dioxide cannot possibly have a big effect, as it is present in very small amounts in the atmosphere, consider this : it is a very efficient absorber of radiation in the part of the spectrum which includes sunlight reflected from the Earth's surface

http://www.bom.gov.au/info/climate/change/gallery/images/4.jpg

It is a very efficient part of the blanket of gases that keeps the Earth liveable. If it weren't for Carbon Dioxide and water vapour in the atmosphere, there would be no mammals, or in fact, not much of any life at all.

Several of the interviewees in the film say that the Sun is all, the Sun is the largest influence. Well, that would be true if it weren't for the atmosphere and the part played by Carbon Dioxide. And you must know that, taking into consideration many factors such as solar sunspot changes, cosmic ray cloud nucleation changes, Earth's Poles precessing and volcanic activity, at the moment the Earth should be experiencing a cool-down. It's not.

http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/archive/2486/24861403.jpg

And this is even before I begin on the political manipulation of the interviews...

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Oh, what a night of climate related tv.

1. The Great Global Warming Swindle
2. Question Time featuring Siân Berry
3. Panorama: Go Green or Else (rpt)
4. Dispatches: Greenwash (rpt) - presented by he that say turn off your tv.

Prog. 1 tried to make out that scepticism doesn't pay and 'alarmism' does.

Funny then that the ad breaks on prog. 4. were only 1 minute long - I timed one, and thoretically at least the time of broadcast should not affect this. However the ad breaks for prog. 1 just seemed to go on and on.

Exxonsecrets exposé of Richard Lindzen.

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I thought the last section about developed countries putting pressure on developing countries to not develop was particularly interesting. There are many development NGOs e.g. WDM that would have been sympathethic to that valid concern. Yet none were interviewed.

We were shown that a fridge and a light bulb could not be powered by 1 or 2 panels on the roof of a small health centre - not surprising. But we were encouraged to think that solar power was not a suitable power source in Africa rather than that the bloke running the fridge actually needed a third solar panel.

African emissions per capita are tiny compared to the developed countries and it is going to be decades before they waste energy in the same amounts that we manage to do.

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Dear Channel 4,

I think it was highly irresponsible of you to publish what you called a "science programme" which contained inaccurate graphs and presented superceded scientific theories as if they were fact.

Also, some of the people interviewed in the Great Global Warming Swindle are known as being in the pay of ExxonMobil which has a documented vested interest in denying that Global Warming is a result of its commercial activities.

What I find amusing is that the film itself can easily be dismissed as a swindle, but by presenting this film you have stirred up a hornet's nest of conflict, because some people have fallen for this hook, line and sinker.

No one is pretending that the IPCC is perfect. Some of my colleagues feel that the IPCC is not telling the true story - and that conditions are worse than the official summary.

By being conservative the IPCC allows non-experts such as Timothy Ball and Fred Singer to continue to peddle controvertible misinterpretations that have been deconstructed (debunked) very frequently.

I cannot believe that in this day and age, when there are heaps of scientific experts, many sources of accurate information, and good investigative journalism that you have allowed this film to be made and aired. Who paid ? Why did they want to stir up conflict ? What is Channel 4's agenda ? It's clearly not scientific enquiry, from my point of view.

I think it was ultimately disgraceful that you followed through the derogatory and painful discussion about Africa and development. Solar panels are known to be expensive. There are other, low cost and low emissions technologies to make electricity from the power of the Sun. The film makers clearly do not know this, or chose to ignore it.

There are many ways that you could have checked the contents of this film and given a caveat emptor notice before it was aired.

By showing it with no comment, you have brought despair and frustration and conflict to many people, and as such, this is completely lacking in any accountability.

If you present scientific information about Global Warming without talking about the development and proofs of the theory that used to be known as the "Callender Effect", you are reneging on your obligation to be a responsible broadcaster as far as I am concerned.

By the way, I accept no payment whatsoever for my work on Climate Change, as I do not wish to be accused of being anybody's lackey.

Ms J. Abbess BSc

PS I refuse to contribute to the diatribe and anger in the forum on this subject. You need to hear my complaint directly.
You can read my first partial dissection of this dead-as-a-dodo film on :- http://portal.campaigncc.org/node/1820

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From : George Marshall at http://coinet.org.uk
Sent : 09 March 2007 12:51:21
Subject : THE GREAT CHANNEL FOUR SWINDLE

This article has been posted to the blog http://www.climatedenial.org. Please fee free to circulate and add your comments on the site.

THE GREAT CHANNEL FOUR SWINDLE
George Marshall

Last night Channel Four kindly gave an hour and half and a large budget to the international network of professional climate change deniers. ‘The Great Global Warming Swindle’ was a propaganda gift to the various vested interests who seek to undermine the fragile political and social will to take action on this global action.

And it was sometimes very convincing, as strongly worded opinions often are when they are not subject to any verification or external challenge. For example, there are excellent rebuttals against the contention that global warming is correlated to cosmic rays (for example see... )

There was only one scientific advisor on the programme, Martin Livermore, whose sole scientific qualification is that he is the Director of a web-based think tank, The Scientific Alliance. The Alliance was set up by in 2001 by Robert Durward, the fiercely anti-green director of the British Aggregates Association, and Foresight Communications, a Westminster public relations and lobbying company, to “counter scare-mongering by the so-called green lobby". (For more…)

The Scientific Alliance has no affiliation with any recognised scientific body but, like most of the contributors to the programme, it does have very strong links with the US public relations and lobbying organisations that have been so effective in setting the Bush agenda on climate change.

The writer and presenter of the programme was Martin Durkin. Although it was written in a highly personal and opinionated style- speaking freely of “lies”, and the “shrill frenzy” of “scare stories” – we never saw Durkin or discovered his personal credentials. As George Monbiot has revealed Durkin is closely affiliated with the Revolutionary Communist Party which has a strong ideological opposition to environmental science (more on Durkin and the RCP.

In 1997 Channel Four was forced to issue a humiliating public apology over a previous series of anti-environment programmes directed by Durkin called “Against Nature”. The Independent Television Commission found that “the views of the four complainants, as made clear to the interviewer, had been distorted by selective editing” and that they had been “misled as to the content and purpose of the programmes when they agreed to take part.”

For this programme Durkin drew up a dream team of scientists who have built personal careers as media pundits debunking the peer-reviewed work of their colleagues. There are few of them, but they are well supported by the Washington lobbies and kept very busy with media debates, documentaries and opinion pieces. (I have personally debated with five of them in media debates).

Is it any surprise then, that they were so persuasive. Most of the people on the programme are professional communicators who are more familiar with the chat show than the lab. Of course they give good interviews - it is what they do for a living.

And let us not forget that we all want to believe them. Wouldn’t it be wonderful to believe that the science is unsettled, that all that carbon dioxide that we are pumping into the atmosphere really has no effect, and that we do not have to worry about the future.

It would be entirely possible to put together a similar programme, with a string of credible former academics, to argue that smoking does no cause cancer, that HIV does not cause AIDS, or that black people are less intelligent. However, Channel Four would not dare broadcast the programme and we would not believe them if they did. Is it not a reflection of the deep public ambivalence about climate change that these dissenters are given such a prominent and uncritical showcase and that we are so keen to listen to them?

Make up your own minds from their records. Here is a little more information on some of the people who appeared on the programme:

Fred Singer. Despite the caption on the programme, Singer has retired from the University of Virginia and has not had a single article accepted for any peer-reviewed scientific journal for 20 years. His main work has been as a hired gun for business interests to undermine scientific research on environmental and health matters. Before turning to climate change he has argued that CFCs do not cause ozone depletion and second hand smoke does not cause cancer (more... ). In 1990 he founded "The Science and Environment Policy Project", which aggressively contradicts climate science and has received direct funding from Exxon, Shell, Unocal and ARCO. Exxon is also among the funders ($20,000 in 1998 and 2000)

Patrick Michaels is the most prominent US climate change denier. In the programme he claimed “I’ve never been paid a nickel by the old and gas companies” which is a curious claim. According to the US journalist Ross Gebspan Michaels has received direct funding from, among others German Coal Mining Association ($49,000), Edison Electric Institute ($15,000), and the Western Fuels Association ($63,000) an association of US coal producing interests (more...). The WFA is one of the most powerful forces in the US actively denying the basic science of climate change, funding, amongs other things, the Greening Earth Society which is directed by Patrick Michaels. Tom Wigley, one of the leading IPCC scientists, describes Michaels work as "a catalog of misrepresentation and misinterpretation". (More on Michaels…)

Philip Stott was captioned as a Professor at the University of London although he is retired and is therefore free of any academic accountability. Stott is a geographer by training and has no qualifications in climate science. Since retiring Stott has aimed to become Britain’s leading anti-green pundit dedicating himself to wittily criticizing rainforest campaigns (with Patrick Moore), advocating genetic engineering and claiming that “global warming is the new fundamentalist religion.”

Patrick Moore is Stott’s Canadian equivalent. Since a very personal and painful falling out with Greenpeace in 1986 Moore has put his considerable campaigning energies into undermining environmentalists, especially his former friends and colleagues. Typical of his rhetoric was his claim in the programme that environmentalists were “anti-human” and “treat humans as scum”. Throughout the 1990s Moore worked as lead consultant for the British Columbian Timber Products Association undermining Greenpeace’s international campaign to protect old growth forest there. Whenever he has the chance he also makes strong public statements in favour of genetic engineering, nuclear power, logging the Amazon, and industrial fishing- all, strangely, lead campaigns for Greenpeace (more on Moore..)

Piers Corbyn has no academic status and his role in such programmes is to promote his own weather prediction business. He has steadfastly refused to ever subject his climatological theories to any form of external review or scrutiny.

Richard Lindzen. As a Professor of Meteorology at the credible Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Lindzen is by far the most reputable academic among the US climate deniers and, for this reason, he is heavily cited by sympathetic journalists such as Melanie Phillips and Michael Crichton. His arguments though are identical to the other deniers – for example an article in the Wall Street Journal (June 11 2001) he claims that "there is no consensus, unanimous or otherwise, about long-term climate trends or what causes them".
He is strongly associated with the other people on the programme though co-authored reports, articles, conference appearances and co-signed statements.

Tim Ball was captioned as the University of Winnipeg. In fact he left in 1996 since when he has run political campaigns through two organisations he helped found: the Natural Resources Stewardship Project and the Friends of Science which, according to their websites aim to run "a proactive grassroots campaign to counter the Kyoto Protocol”; and “encourage and assist the Canadian Federal Government to re-evaluate the Kyoto Protocol”. Ian Clark is also on the board of the NRSP.

This article was posted on the 9th March to http://www.climatedenial.org

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Why oh why oh why do we have to waste our time re-denying the Climate Deniers ? What's in it for Channel 4 ? Sparking public debate ? Not exactly. Who's got the money and the time to counter this absurd film ? It's just plain nasty.

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From : Jim Scott - Save Our World
Sent : 09 March 2007 15:48:14
Subject : Whose Great Warming Swindle ?

From: Save our World
To: Guardian Letters
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 3:33 PM
Subject: Whose Great Warming Swindle?

Sir,

Whose Great Global Warming Swindle?

The disgraceful thing about last night's Channel 4 Programme 'The Great Global Warming Swindle' ('Last Night's TV' 09 March 2007), is not that alternative theories to human causation of global warming were presented, but that they were presented as 'the truth' without any counter-arguments being aired at all. This might be acceptable as satire for a technically well informed audience, but is inexcusable for a general audience that is unable to weigh-up one side of proclaimed evidence without being given the other. It is particularly irresponsible of Channel 4 to show this programme because it inevitably creates confusion and doubt in uninformed viewers' minds as to whether they need to take action themselves, and support action by others (including political), that could well affect the future of their descendants' lives and the future of life on earth.

Unfortunately, the time has passed when disinterested enquiry for its own sake was the guiding light of science, and we have to accept that scientific evidence is increasingly sought and selected in order to support an already decided ideological or theoretical position. This is all the more reason why the producers, in all forms of public media, must be required to present both legitimate arguments and counter-arguments on an issue as vital as climate change. One contributer to the programme last night ridiculed the notion of climate sceptics being regarded like Holocaust deniers. However, the dangers of causing public confusion are such, that a case can indeed be made for inserting a clause in the current Climate Change Bill to make it a punishable offence knowingly to spread misinformation about climate change, on a par with Holocaust denial.

Yours sincerely,

Jim Scott,
chairperson,
SAVE OUR WORLD

14 Richborne Terrace,
London SW8 1AU

020 7640 0492 & 07717 221617

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The following complaint has been profferred as a model for anyone else who wishes to complain.

It was drafted by someone who used to work for the Advertising Standards Authority and the ITV internal regulator.

Feel free to use it in your responses to Ofcom and Channel 4, and forward it to anyone else who was outraged that Channel 4 aired the programme with no caveats. A copy of the Broadcasting Code items apparently breached appears at the foot.

(I'll be adding that it appears Channel 4 profited handsomely by broadcasting this with a bumper crop of advertisers, in spite of the apparent breaches, so I hope Ofcom will fine them for more than this profit.)

You can complain via:

Ofcom: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/complain/progs/specific/

Channel 4: >http://help.channel4.com/SRVS/...

Dear Ofcom

I am making a formal complaint about the Channel 4 documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle.

This programme is grossly irresponsible in misleading Channel 4's viewers about the impact of climate change and the need for action. In doing so I believe it breached the Broadcasting Code clauses: 5.5, 5.6, 5.7, 5.8, 5.9, 5.10, 5.11 and 5.12.

The programme maker and all the sources used are well known for their lobbying against climate science. Indeed the presenter Michael Durkin has a previous ruling against him for a similar breech of the Code with Channel 4's 'Against Nature'. It is clear therefore that this team requires stricter regulation and I urge you to require pre-clearance for any further programming from this source.

Here are the specifics of my complaint:

Breach of clause 5.5: Man made climate change is clearly a matter of industrial, political and public policy controversy. The Great Global Warming Swindle failed to show due impartiality towards the science of climate change and failed to represent opposing views.

Breach of clause 5.6: Channel 4 made no indication of The Great Global Warming Swindle being part of a linked series of programmes and it is not part of any series that a viewer can identify.

Breach of clause 5.7: The Great Global Warming Swindle repeatedly expressed views as if they were facts.

Breach of clause 5.8: The professional and career track record of Michael Durkin where at no point explained to viewers nor was he introduced nor did Channel 4 add a caveat at the end of the programme.

Breach of clause 5.9: The programme comprised personal views (presented in the guise of facts) and no balancing views were included.

Breach of clause 5.10: The personal views in The Great Global Warming Swindle were not signalled as such.

Breach of clause 5.11: Climate change is clearly a matter "of national, and international, importance" and Channel 4 should be heavily censured for failing to apply the Code in this context.

Breach of clause 5.12: As for 5.11, given the gravity of the issue Channel 4 is seriously failing in its duty by not complying with your ruling that a "wide range of significant views must be included and given due weight in each programme or in clearly linked and timely programmes. Views and facts must not be misrepresented."

I am not a person who leaps to censorship or to stifle genuine scientific debate. But this programme falls far short of that, being merely the last gasp of lobbying by the US petroleum industry. Channel 4 has a track record of breaching Ofcom Codes and I urge you to exact the most severe punishment available to you for what I can without exaggeration call 'a crime against humanity'.

Yours sincerely

...................

Relevant Broadcasting Code clauses:

The preservation of due impartiality

(Rules 5.5 to 5.12 apply to television programme services, teletext services, national radio and national digital sound programme services.)

5.5 Due impartiality on matters of political or industrial controversy and matters relating to current public policy must be preserved on the part of any person providing a service (listed above). This may be achieved within a programme or over a series of programmes taken as a whole.

Meaning of "series of programmes taken as a whole":

This means more than one programme in the same service, editorially linked, dealing with the same or related issues within an appropriate period and aimed at a like audience. A series can include, for example, a strand, or two programmes (such as a drama and a debate about the drama) or a 'cluster' or 'season' of programmes on the same subject.

5.6 The broadcast of editorially linked programmes dealing with the same subject matter (as part of a "series" in which the broadcaster aims to achieve due impartiality) should normally be made clear to the audience on air.

5.7 Views and facts must not be misrepresented. Views must also be presented with due weight over appropriate timeframes.

5.8 Any personal interest of a reporter or presenter, which would call into question the due impartiality of the programme, must be made clear to the audience.

5.9 Presenters and reporters (with the exception of news presenters and reporters in news programmes), presenters of "personal view" or "authored" programmes or items, and chairs of discussion programmes may express their own views on matters of political or industrial controversy or matters relating to current public policy. However alternative viewpoints must be adequately represented either in the programme, or in a series of programmes taken as a whole. Additionally, presenters must not use the advantage of regular appearances to promote their views in a way that compromises the requirement for due impartiality. Presenter phone-ins must encourage and must not exclude alternative views.

5.10 A personal view or authored programme or item must be clearly signalled to the audience at the outset. This is a minimum requirement and may not be sufficient in all circumstances. (Personality phone-in hosts on radio are exempted from this provision unless their personal view status is unclear.)

Meaning of "personal view" and "authored":

"Personal view" programmes are programmes presenting a particular view or perspective. Personal view programmes can range from the outright expression of highly partial views, for example by a person who is a member of a lobby group and is campaigning on the subject, to the considered "authored" opinion of a journalist, commentator or academic, with professional expertise or a specialism in an area which enables her or him to express opinions which are not necessarily mainstream.

Matters of major political or industrial controversy and major matters relating to current public policy

5.11 In addition to the rules above, due impartiality must be preserved on matters of major political and industrial controversy and major matters relating to current public policy by the person providing a service (listed above) in each programme or in clearly linked and timely programmes.

Meaning of "matters of major political or industrial controversy and major matters relating to current public policy":

These will vary according to events but are generally matters of political or industrial controversy or matters of current public policy which are of national, and often international, importance, or are of similar significance within a smaller broadcast area.

5.12 In dealing with matters of major political and industrial controversy and major matters relating to current public policy an appropriately wide range of significant views must be included and given due weight in each programme or in clearly linked and timely programmes. Views and facts must not be misrepresented.

The prevention of undue prominence of views and opinions on matters of political or industrial controversy and matters relating to current public policy

(Rule 5.13 applies to local radio services (including community radio services), local digital sound programme services (including community digital sound programme services) and radio licensable content services.)

5.13 Broadcasters should not give undue prominence to the views and opinions of particular persons or bodies on matters of political or industrial controversy and matters relating to current public policy in all the programmes included in any service (listed above) taken as a whole.

Meaning of "undue prominence of views and opinions":

Undue prominence is a significant imbalance of views aired within coverage of matters of political or industrial controversy or matters relating to current public policy.

Meaning of "programmes included in any service…taken as a whole":

Programmes included in any service taken as a whole, means all programming on a service dealing with the same or related issues within an appropriate period.

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Hey campaigners !

We've had a namecheck from RealClimate here :-

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=414

RealClimate is where the real scientists are, and if we get gold stars from the RC we must be so cooooooool and right on the money !

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source: http://www.jri.org.uk/news/Critique_Channel4_Global_Warming_Swindle.pdf

Programme directed by Martin Durkin, on Channel 4
on Thursday 8 March 2007

Critique by John Houghton, President, John Ray Initiative http://www.jri.org.uk

Some background on Martin Durkin can be found on
http://www.gmwatch.org/profile1.asp?PrId=39
http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2000/03/16/modified-truth/

The programme purported to debunk the science of Global Warming describing it as ‘lies’ and an invention of hundreds of scientists around the world who have conspired to mislead governments, and the general public. The most prominent person in the programme was Lord Lawson, former Chancellor of the Exchequer who is not a scientist and who shows little knowledge of the science but who is party to the creation of a conspiracy theory that questions the motives and integrity of the world scientific community, especially as represented by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

The material presented was a mixture of truth, half truth and falsehood put together with the sole purpose of discrediting the science of global warming as presented by the main world community of climate scientists and by the IPCC.

For the best and latest statement of the science, you are referred to the Summary for Policymakers of the IPCC 4th Assessment Report published in February 2007 (see: http://www.ipcc.ch/).

You are also referred to a 2-page statement by the Academies of Science of the 11 largest countries in the world (the G8 plus China, India and Brazil) addressed to the leaders at the G8 Summit at Gleneagles in 2005 giving a clear and urgent message about the reality of Global Warming and its likely consequences and also endorsing the consensus of the IPCC. This statement by the Academies is unprecedented. There could not be a stronger statement supporting the work of the world scientific community by the most eminent scientists in the world. (see http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/document.asp?latest=1&id=3222)

You are also referred to JRI Briefing Paper 14, “Global Warming, Climate Change and Sustainability: Challenge to Scientists, Policy-makers and Christians” by Sir John Houghton, 2007. (see http://www.jri.org.uk/brief/Briefing14_Houghton.pdf). Here I briefly point out the main lines of evidence for human-induced climate change and then address some of the main arguments presented in the programme.

1. First, it is important to note that the main lines of evidence for humaninduced climate change not addressed in the programme were:
• growth of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere mainly due to fossil fuel burning to a level greater than for at least 600,000 years;
• observations of global warming at the earth’s surface (in magnitude and pattern) consistent with the increase in greenhouse gases, the basic science of which has been known and understood for over 200 years.

2. Climate is always changing – TRUE. However, the programme also argued that changes in global average temperature over the last 50 years and as projected for the 21st century are within the range of natural climate variability as observed over the last few millennia – NOT TRUE.

Many of the prominent climate changes over past centuries have been regional in scale. Global Warming is concerned with global scale changes. The IPCC 4th Assessment Report Summary for Policymakers has a particular section summarising the conclusions of detailed studies using a wide range of paleoclimate data. It concludes that ‘Paleoclimate information supports the interpretation that the warmth of the last half century is unusual in at least the previous 1300 years.’

3. That carbon dioxide content and temperature correlate so closely during the last ice age is not evidence of carbon dioxide driving the temperature but rather the other way round - TRUE. The programme went on to state that this correlation has been presented as the main evidence for global warming by the IPCC – NOT TRUE. For instance, I often show that diagram in my lectures on climate change but always make the point that it gives no proof of global warming due to increased carbon dioxide.

4. The troposphere is warming less than the surface – NOT TRUE. This raises a debate that took place in the 1990s but which has now been resolved. There is now agreement among the scientists involved in measurements that trends in satellite observed tropospheric temperatures when properly analysed agree well with trends in surface temperature observations. The programme also stated that warming should continue to higher levels. That is not the case. In fact, higher levels are observed to be cooling, consistent with the science of global warming that indicates that there is warming below and cooling above the ‘blanket’ of additional carbon dioxide.

5. Volcanic eruptions emit more carbon dioxide than fossil fuel burning – NOT TRUE.

In fact, none of the large volcanic eruptions over the last 50 years feature in the detailed record of increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide.

6. Changes in the sun influence climate – TRUE.

They cited the Maunder Minimum in the 17th century when no sunspots were observed, as a probable example. Solar influences are the main driver of global average temperature in the 20th century – NOT TRUE. Changes in solar output together with the absence of large volcanoes (that tend to cool the climate) are likely to have been causes for the rise in temperature between 1900 and 1940. However, the much more complete observations of the sun from space instruments over the past 40 years demonstrate that such influences cannot have contributed significantly to the temperature increase over this period. Other possibilities such as cosmic rays affecting cloud formation have been very carefully considered by the IPCC (see the 3rd Assessment Report on www.ipcc.ch) and there is no evidence that they are significant compared with the much larger and well understood effects of increased greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide.

7. Climate models are too complex and uncertain to provide useful projections of climate change - NOT TRUE.

In the programme, this was illustrated by a statement made by a youthful Professor Smagorinsky, a pioneer in climate modelling, speaking in the 1980s explaining some of the inadequacies of early models. Climate modelling has developed enormously since then. Modern models include detailed coupling of the circulations of atmosphere and ocean and detailed descriptions of the interactions between all components of the climate system including ice and the biosphere. They have been tested thoroughly in
their ability to reconstruct current and past climates. The 30 or more major modelling groups in the world regularly compare their methods and their findings. Contributors to the programme with their parodies of climate models just demonstrated their complete ignorance of the significance and capabilities of modern models.

8. The IPCC process stifles debate and is used by scientists to further their own self interest – NOT TRUE.

I chaired the main meetings of Working Group I during the production of the first three IPCC scientific assessments. I can say categorically that the process was very open and honest. The aim was to distinguish between what was reasonably well known and the areas where there is large uncertainty. The chapter groups had complete freedom to investigate and assess the scientific literature and draw their conclusions. Contrary to the impression given in the programme, no one ever resigned from being a lead author in Working Group I because of their disagreement with the process or the final content of their chapter. In fact, no one ever communicated to me a complaint about the integrity of the process.

I should mention, however, a case of disagreement that occurred in Working Group 2 of the IPCC that dealt with the impacts of climate change – a more complex area to address that the basic science of Working Group I. Professor Reiter who appeared in the programme described how, unfortunately, his expert work on malaria failed to get recognition in the relevant IPCC chapter.

Even Professor Lindzen, who appeared at length on the programme, stayed the course as lead author within Working Group I, expressing his satisfaction with the report’s chapters as good scientific documents. He has often, however, gone on to express his view that the conclusions of the Policymakers Summary did not faithfully represent the chapters. But he has never provided any supporting evidence for that statement – nor, to my knowledge, has anyone else who has quoted that statement originating from
Lindzen.

It is important to note that IPCC Policymakers’ Summaries are agreed unanimously at intergovernmental meetings involving over 200
government delegates from around 100 countries. This agreement is only achieved after several days of scientific debate (only scientific arguments not political ones are allowed) the main purpose of which is to challenge the scientific chapter authors regarding the accuracy, clarity and relevance of the summary and most especially its consistency with the underlying chapters. Agreement at such a meeting has ensured that the resulting document, so far as is possible, is scientifically accurate, balanced and free from personal or political bias. Reference was made in the programme to an article in the Wall Street Journal in 1995 about the 1995 IPCC report accusing the IPCC of improperly altering one of the agreed chapters before publication. This was a completely false accusation as was pointed out in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, September 1996, 77, pp1961-1966.

9. Action on climate change by developed countries may have a negative influence on development of the world’s poorer countries – POSSIBLY TRUE.

A strong non scientific point made towards the end of the programme concerned the possible effect of pressure from the developed
world on developing countries to develop without use of fossil fuel sources of energy. There is something inherently unfair in such pressure that could hamper growth of developing country economies especially when rather little is being done by developed countries to reduce their own fossil fuel emissions. Further, the greater proportion of the damage from climate change will tend to fall on developing countries. The responsibilities of developed countries therefore are clear, first to reduce their own emissions as rapidly as possible and secondly to assist developing countries with resources and skills to develop their energy and other requirements in sustainable ways.

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From : ferrand on LOCAL SUST UK forum
Sent : 09 March 2007 21:03:23
Subject : THE GREAT CHANNEL FOUR SWINDLE

Dear All,

What these folk from The Scientific Alliance forget is that while the physical effects of more Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere - i.e Global Warming - may be disputed, the Physiological and Chemical effects are much more certain.

Mankind has altered the air we all breathe, Carbon Dioxide is an acid gas, and it is well attested that the Environment is getting more acid - this may well encourage Virus activity, as this life form prefers more acid conditions. The 'Flu virus especially being very "pH sensitive".

Carbon Dioxide is also a stimulant, and is so used in resuscitation apparatus in hospitals.. Viewing the way the World is running about like a f*rt in a colander makes one wonder if we are all being over stimulated ?

See the Royal Societies work on effects on the oceans :-

http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/news.asp?id=3250


http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/actionnetwork/A11109133

regards
Ferrand

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here's the message board from medialens, poking fun at channel 4's egg on the face :-

http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1173429951.html

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The swindlous film has taken at least one person down and out at Christian Ecology Link, sad to say.

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From: BM
To: CEL
Subject: [celink] Global Warming Swindle

I am afraid I had never heard the arguments put forward on Channel 4 before. I found them very interesting and worthy of consideration. I will be thanking Channel 4 for opening up the debate. I do not know the answers, but when questions come out into the general public domain I think an 'open' study has to be done. For instance, when a doctor says he thinks MMR could cause autism, I think money should be put into research to check that, and when a scientist says he thinks GM potatoes are making rats very ill I think money should go into checking that out. In the same way I think this group of scientists, who are concerned about the analysis of CO2 results, should be given money to check it out in a very open and visible way. I am sorry I am new to all this information. It sounds as if most of you have known all about these issues for a long time. I will certainly read all the web sites suggested to try and unravel my feelings. with love BM
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From: jo
To: CEL
Subject : RE: [celink] Global Warming Swindle

Hi BMa and CEL,

BM, your reaction is exactly what I was afraid this programme would cause in you.

Because you think that you "do not know the answers" from what you have heard
and seen and read already in the public domain, and because you are unaware of
the full scale, the depth and length of the international debate that has been raging
for over 15 years on Global Warming, this programme has just tipped you back to
square one in this tortuous game of snakes and ladders.

The arguments put forward in the film, and the theories of those interviewed have
been deconstructed or debunked many times before.

I know you will not believe me immediately, because the programme has tossed
you onto a sea of doubt and uncertainty and scepticism.

Amongst a wide group of scientists, commentators and campaigners, we have
critiqued the approach of both the film maker and those who took part :-

http://portal.campaigncc.org/node/1820

Sir John Houghton himself, that great scientist Christian, has issued a rebuttal
of the film :-


http://www.jri.org.uk/news/Critique_Channel4_Global_Warming_Swindle.pdf

The IPCC have confirmed that the main driver of Climate Change is man-made
Global Warming.

The Government of this country, and the European Government and many
countries in the United Nations have accepted Global Warming as a man-made
threat.

And still you believe, after watching this film, that they have somehow "opened
a debate".

This is why I am complaining to Channel 4. A perfectly intelligent woman has had
her head turned by nonsense that they have the stupidity to air without caveat.

I'm sorry, I have to be intolerant and dismissive here. The Great Global Warming
Swindle film was nonsense. In fact, the film was a swindle, as George Marshall has
explained in recording the history of what the film maker and the interviewees
have been up to.

Too see someone so smart and inquisitive as yourself be swindled like this makes
me despair and shake my head.

For people like you, who do not have a ready knowledge of why the film's
arguments and theories are misleading, for you we have to start the whole
education process all over again.

Please, if you have to go back to basics, please go to sources that you can
really trust. You cannot trust the people who made and feature in this film.

An "open study" on the causes of Global Warming has been conducted
internationally for many years by genuine scientists, paid and unpaid, in
the industrial and government and private foundation sphere. The studies
have resulted in a very broad consensus which is not a swindle.

Science is very difficult to communicate. Increasing stormy weather can be
discounted as freak occurences. Increasing food shortages however, will
not be possible to hide. Then, the "bread and circus" will run short, and
then you will complain of the Government "why didn't they tell us ?" They
have, and yet underhanded people with warped agendas are funded to
produce media that force you to drop your guard and drop the ball.

Sometimes I feel what is the actual point in trying to communicate
Climate Change to people ? Why can't they see that taking large amounts
of sequestered Carbon from under the ground and throwing it into the air
is destabilising. It's so totally obvious, even from a simple analysis of the
Carbon cycle. Get your head turned around again and come back to your
senses, please.

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From: RN
To : CEL
Subject : [celink] Re: Global Warming Swindle

BM,
I also thought two of the points made were of interest, but it turns out that one of them was based on very unreliable evidence and the other was of no importance. So the complaint against channel 4 is that they allowed a programme to be shown that scientifically was pretty worthless. I have complained at their irresponsibility.

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Well, even though the Telegraph has an article full of disparaging and dismissive words, at least the Independent and the Observer are taking this swindle seriously...and it seems Carl Wunsch might make an official complaint against the film maker...

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http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/climate_change/article2347526.ece

Climate change: An inconvenient truth... for C4
This expert in oceanography quoted in last week's debunking of the Gore green theory says he was 'seriously misrepresented'
By Geoffrey Lean, Environment Editor
Published: 11 March 2007

It was the television programme that set out to show that most of the world's climate scientists are misleading us when they say humanity is heating up the Earth by emitting carbon dioxide. And The Great Global Warming Swindle, screened by Channel 4 on Thursday night, convinced many viewers that it is indeed untrue that the gas is to blame for global warming.

But now the programme - and the channel - is facing a serious challenge to its own credibility after one of the most distinguished scientists that it featured said his views had been "grossly distorted" by the film, and made it clear that he believed human pollution did warm the climate.

Professor Carl Wunsch, professor of physical oceanography at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology said he had been "completely misrepresented" by the programme, and "totally misled" on its content. He added that he is considering making a formal complaint.

A Channel 4 spokesman said: "The film was a polemic that drew together the well-documented views of a number of respected scientists to reach the same conclusions. This is a controversial film but we feel that it is important that all sides of the debate are aired. If one of the contributors has concerns about his contribution we will look into that."

Any complaint would provoke a crisis at Channel 4, now recovering from the Jade Goody Big Brother storm. It had to make a rare public apology after the Independent Television Commission convicted previous programmes on environmental issues by the same film-maker, Martin Durkin, of similar offences - and is already facing questions on why it accepted another programme from him.

The commission found that the editing of interviews with four contributors to a series called Against Nature had "distorted or misrepresented their known views".

Professor Wunsch said: "I am angry because they completely misrepresented me. My views were distorted by the context in which they placed them. I was misled as to what it was going to be about. I was told about six months ago that this was to be a programme about how complicated it is to understand what is going on. If they had told me even the title of the programme, I would have absolutely refused to be on it. I am the one who has been swindled."

When told what the commission had found, he said: "That is what happened to me." He said he believes it is "an almost inescapable conclusion" that "if man adds excess CO2 to the atmosphere, the climate will warm".

He went on: "The movie was terrible propaganda. It is characteristic of propaganda that you take an area where there is legitimate dispute and you claim straight out that people who disagree with you are swindlers. That is what the film does in any area where some things are subject to argument."

Mr Durkin last night said that Professor Wunsch was "most certainly not duped into appearing into the programme" and that it "had not in any way misrepresented what he said".

Before the programme was shown, the IoS asked Channel 4 why it had commissioned another film from Mr Durkin and, further, whether it was making any special checks on its accuracy.

A spokesman said the programme made by Mr Durkin for which it had had to apologise was a decade old, adding: "We treat Martin as any other film-maker."

* David Cameron will tomorrow unveil three schemes to tax air travel in order to combat global warming. He is to consult on whether to impose VAT or fuel duty on domestic flights, institute a flight tax targeted at the most polluting engines, or to set up a "green miles scheme" to tax frequent flyers at a higher rate. The revenue raised would be used for tax cuts to help families.

The cold, hard facts about global warming

What do most scientists believe caused global warming?

The vast majority are convinced it is human emissions of carbon dioxide. It was established scientifically 180 years ago - and has never been seriously disputed - that natural levels of the gas given off by decaying vegetation and the oceans help to keep the Earth warm; without it, and other natural greenhouse gases, the planet would be some 20C colder and we would freeze. Adding even the so far relatively small amounts from human activities makes us warmer.

Has the world warmed before?

Yes, and big warmings over prehistoric times were not started by increasing CO2 levels; changes in solar activity are more likely. Levels of the gas started rising some 800 years into the warming, but then probably reinforced it, making it bigger and longer. Temperature and CO2 are interdependent; when one goes up the other follows. This time it is different because vast amounts of the gas are being artificially put into the atmosphere by humans.

What about more recent history?

There was a warm period in Europe in the Middle Ages, again probably caused by solar activity, but it does not seem to have been a worldwide phenomenon, although records are scanty.

So is the sun responsible now?

Some sceptics say so and probably it played the major role until quite recently. But over the past three decades, solar activity has scarcely risen, while temperatures have shot up - a fact disguised in the film. What has gone up is CO2 and even top sceptic Nigel Lawson admits it is "highly likely" that the gas has "played a significant part" in global warming this century.

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http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2031455,00.html

Climate scientist 'duped to deny global warming'

Ben Goldacre and David Adam
Sunday March 11, 2007
The Observer

A Leading US climate scientist is considering legal action after he says he was duped into appearing in a Channel 4 documentary that claimed man-made global warming is a myth. Carl Wunsch, professor of physical oceanography at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said the film, The Great Global Warming Swindle, was 'grossly distorted' and 'as close to pure propaganda as anything since World War Two'.

He says his comments in the film were taken out of context and that he would not have agreed to take part if he had known it would argue that man-made global warming was not a serious threat. 'I thought they were trying to educate the public about the complexities of climate change,' he said. 'This seems like a deliberate attempt to exploit someone who is on the other side of the issue.' He is considering a complaint to Ofcom, the broadcast regulator.

The film, shown on Thursday, was made by Martin Durkin. In 1997, he produced a similar series for Channel 4 called Against Nature, which attacked many of the claims of the environmental movement.

Durkin said: 'Carl Wunsch was most certainly not "duped" into appearing in the film, as is perfectly clear from our correspondence with him. Nor are his comments taken out of context. His interview, as used in the programme, perfectly accurately represents what he said.'

Channel 4 said: 'We feel it is important that all sides of the debate are aired. If one of the scientists featured now has concerns about his contribution, we will look into it in the normal way.'

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/03/11/dl1101.xml

Last Updated: 12:01am GMT 11/03/2007

Green tax won't help the planet or Tories

The latest report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), published last month, gave the impression that the debate about the reality of global warming and its man-made causes is over: the earth is heating up, and increased CO2 emissions from the burning of fossil fuels are to blame.

That impression is false, however, or at least misleading: there are still many uncertainties in climate science and prediction, and there are many reputable scientists who do not accept that the ever-increasing amounts of CO2 human beings are pumping into the atmosphere are responsible for whatever changes in planetary temperature are happening.

Some of those dissenting voices were on display in The Great Global Warming Swindle, a powerful programme broadcast last week. Channel 4 is to be congratulated for not being intimidated or bullied out of transmitting the documentary: it is difficult to imagine today's BBC having the courage to assault a doctrine so entrenched in politically correct opinion.
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While it will not have convinced die-hard advocates of the view that global warming is man-made, the programme certainly demonstrated that the appearance of unanimity among scientists is deceptive. There are scientifically serious voices raising doubts about humanity's contribution to climate change. They have found it hard to get a hearing, not least because the oil companies did immense damage to any form of scepticism about global warming when it became apparent that they had bribed hundreds of scientists to act as PR lobbyists for the claim that "global warming isn't happening and if it is, it isn't caused by CO2 emissions". This immediately made anyone who raised doubts about the relation between CO2 emissions and global warming look like the executives from big tobacco companies who tried to claim that there was no evidence that smoking causes cancer.

David Cameron has embraced the orthodoxy on global warming with a passion. This may be due to his conviction that if he did not do so the Conservative Party would be perceived as the political equivalent of a greedy and selfish cigarette manufacturer. He has already changed the party logo from a blue torch to a green tree. Next week, at Mr Cameron's behest, Al Gore, evangelist-in-chief for the cause of reducing CO2 in order to diminish global warming, will lecture the shadow cabinet on what should be done. And George Osborne, the Shadow Chancellor, will announce a raft of new "green taxes" as "options to be looked at".

Mr Osborne's potential proposals include VAT on flights, new taxes on jet fuel, and a "green air mile allowance" for each person which, if exceeded, will trigger ever-higher financial penalties. All the proposals involve hitting the ordinary traveller with higher taxes for going on holiday. And yet Al Gore was revealed last week to have a "carbon footprint" 20 times that of the average American: whatever else he has been doing, Al Gore has not diminished his CO2 emitting power.

Mr Cameron deserves more than the benefit of the doubt for his attempts to widen the appeal of his party and change perceptions of its motives. But he is running risks with these proposals: Labour may portray him as wanting to increase taxes on hard-working people by penalising those who spend their money on holidays for their families. Furthermore, there are now signs that the so-called "unanimous consensus" on climate change is disintegrating. Mr Cameron may be about to learn that the danger inherent in following political fashions is that they can change very quickly.

A less alarmist and more thoughtful consideration of the nature of the risks we face and of the most appropriate action to deal with them would be a better way forward.

It is not as if the additional taxes on air travel will actually "save the planet" anyway: the contribution of the UK's air traffic to the total of CO2 emitted globally every year is so small as to be almost insignificant. This is gesture politics - and it is a gesture which will hurt the vast swathe of hard-working lower-income groups who aspire to something more. Those are precisely the groups that the Tories lost to Labour in 1997, and which they have to win back if they are to regain power.

Considering action to reduce dependence on fossil fuels is sensible, and certainly makes good policy sense even if you are not convinced by the case put forward by Al Gore and others. Oil is going to run out at some future date, and most of what is left is in the Middle East, the most unstable region on the planet. If the Conservatives are serious about diminishing our dependence on fossil fuels, they should come up with plans for an increase in the number of nuclear power stations, not an increase in taxes on air travel.

Mr Cameron rightly wants to make Gordon Brown look like yesterday's man. He will do so - but only if he is brave enough to follow logic and evidence rather than fad and fashion.

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This one good on the dodgy graph and the associations of some of the interviewees: http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3268874#post3268874

Desmogblog has good links to video postings: http://www.desmogblog.com/the-great-global-warming-swindle; they also had a couple of preview articles.

Another blog:

http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2007/03/the_great_global_warming_swind_1.php

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"Where do I begin?" How about addressing all the points raised in the programme, instead of pouring scorn on a few?

I have read a great deal of argument, both for and against man's contribution to the changing climate. In your sanctimonious riposte you have produced the most foolish effort I have seen.

1. "Why are people still stuck in the past over the legendary MWP ?" Without the past there is no argument one way or another. You describe the Medieval Warming Period as legendary. Do you dispute the temperature variance? It's a bubble, is it? A fluctuation in climate then was a bubble and can then be discarded, out of hand, yet we now face the demise of the planet. Not very reasonable for an argument, is it? Either it happened or it did not. If you accept it did and the temperature fluctuated, what is your explanation as to why the temperature cooled? I assume you must have access to some historical evidence of a significant alteration in man's behaviour that is denied to everyone else?

2. "The Fabled Little Ice Age." Do you even have the slightest idea what a fable is? If you do, then you are being obnoxious for the sake of it, which hardly lends strength to your poorly presented and very weak argument. Presumably you think the representation of the frozen Thames is a fantasy. You can casually disregard that it was such a regular occurrence that temporary buildings were sited upon the ice and, for approximately 350 years, Europe experienced significantly colder winters. That is a change in climate and is a much longer period than the current warmer trend we are experiencing now, but you dismiss that as a fable. I don't recall the Thames freezing recently, but it's only 5 years ago that the river outside my window froze.

3. You are seriously suggesting agricultural activity 8-10,000 years ago was sufficient to alter the climate? Do you have even the vaguest idea of the global population then or that combine harversters etc were fairly thin on the ground? This is simply the most foolish idea I have seen produced and the fact that you have seen fit to include it in your "argument" completely removes what little credibility the rest of your effort lends you.

As far as the programme is concerned, as far as I am presently aware, only one contributor has claimed his words were creatively edited.
It was stated that the IPCC report was falsely represented as approved by 2,500 leading scientists and the programme argued many signatories did not support the findings and many others weren't even scientists in the first place.
The programme made it quite clear animals and bacteria produced more greenhouse gases than volcanoes and that the biggest producer, by far, was the world's oceans.
The programme clearly stated the oceans cannot react immediately to changes in temperature, supporting the argument CO2 levels will rise irrespective of man's future activities.
The programme clearly stated water vapour is considerably more influential than CO2 in the greenhouse effect.
The programme clearly indicated the link between recorded solar activity and fluctuations in global temperature.
The programme clearly stated the increase in global temperature should be reflected in the tropospheric temperature, if greenhouse gas theories are credible. It is not.
The change in quantity of manmade CO2 levels was trivialised, with specific quantities provided in support.

These are the points that should be refuted, if they can be. It is interesting that they have not been and that critics of the programme are remarkably consistent in addressing more trivial aspects of the programme and trying to undermine the whole presentation by that. It is a far from convincing argument.

In looking into the various "I'm smarter than you" reactions to the Channel 4 programme, I have encountered link upon link. This then requires more hours than there are in the day just to follow one argument and it is not helpful.

I do not have the depth of interest to research the various theories abounding on this topic, but would expect someone who purports to have sufficient knowledge to influence the opinion of others to be far more eloquent and well-informed than you appear to be.

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Hi Sheumais,

If that subject line irritated you, sorry. It was intended to be ironic.

It's no good calling my arguments fatuous or my person sanctimonious, I just won't accept it. Because "I know better than you" it's like water off a duck's back...straying into dangerous sarcastic territory here...

Before I continue : how about we take a mutual pledge not to be patronising and derogatory, OK ?

I'm a pacifist, and a busy pacifist at that, and since it takes time to forge peace, I need all the shortcuts I can get, so can we just agree to be nice to each other to start with ?

Anyway, I have not really had time to completely analyse all the points made in the Swindle film. I just thought I'd start with the graphs and the theories that went with them, since those were the things that were heavily emphasised in the running time but were the most sloppy and misleading.

1. The Legendary Medieval Warming Period

It is legendary because it has been used in error in many sceptic arguments over the years. You cannot take data that pertains to one smallish region of the Earth's surface and use that as a proxy for the whole of the Earth's surface. This projection or extrapolation would be highly inaccurate, even as a first order approximation. Climate modelling has to be done in small cells for this very reason : that temperature and wind and precipitation (vertical moving water) are in flux over the whole of the Earth's surface. The MWP should more accurately be called "The European Medieval Warming Period", and it wasn't actually that warm, so perhaps it should be further qualified with "Minor".

2. The Fabled Little Ice Age

Again, the Majority Report is for Europe only on this one. I label it fable because the stories about the LIA are used to try to prove that there was a major change in the surface temperature of the Earth. But there really wasn't. It is fabulous, isn't it, that the Thames froze over during Winter. But where is Winter now, I ask you ? Winter has disappeared all over the World this year.

Just now I only have time to counter one of your points. You say :-
>
> The programme made it quite clear animals and bacteria produced more greenhouse gases than
> volcanoes and that the biggest producer, by far, was the world's oceans.
>
You seriously need to read up about the Carbon Cycle, I think, as you do not seem to understand that the World's Oceans have been absorbing roughly half of the Carbon Dioxide we put up into the atmosphere each year, making them a net Carbon Sink. You also need to understand the important difference between net Carbon Dioxide emissions and gross Carbon Dioxide emissions. Intensive animal farming, petrochemical agriculture, the drying of peat and the burning of rainforest etc are responsible for about a sixth of the net Carbon Dioxide emissions in each year. The burning of Fossil Fuels is responsible for the rest. We do need to stop eating meat, and logging the Amazon, but more importantly we need to stop burning petroleum and Natural Gas. I think you need to read the data, and there are many good and factual science books in every branch of Borders that you can browse without purchasing, and that would scupper your acceptance of the Swindle's film cartoons.

Oh, go on then, I'll tackle another. You say :-
>
> The programme clearly stated the increase in global temperature should be reflected in the
> tropospheric temperature, if greenhouse gas theories are credible. It is not.
>
Well, there is a theory that an increase in global temperature should be reflected in the troposphere. Hmm. How does Empirical Science work again ? Well, we look at the current evidence. Then we construct a theory. Then we test the theory, either by designing experiments or looking for situations that could prove our theory one way or another. It could be that as regards this theory of the troposhere we are not completely correct. As regards the theory that the top portion of the Oceans should show a clear warming, well, on that one we're bang on the money.

Read up about the "Callendar Effect" which we now know as "Anthropogenic (Man-Made) Global Warming". He postulated 4 things that had to be evidenced before his theory could be accepted. We have that data now.

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The "irony" in your original posting considerably weakened any strength in your argument, one with which I have yet to be convinced to accept. I am aware that a documentary programme on Channel 4 is likely to prove limited in its content and, as I stated, have neither the depth of interest or time to continually follow links to pick up a small piece of information here and there. You may gather from that I am far from convinced the world's demise is imminent.

The uncertainty created for many viewers of the programme is repeated by another posting in this thread which suggests solar activity could cause isolated, local changes in climate. I fail to understand how this could be, but must accept my knowledge of matters affecting climate is virtually non-existent. That is why I occasionally, when time permits, investigate the arguments. This led me here and to your posting. Your addressing only some aspects of the programme struck me as ultimately pointless and, more importantly, useless to those seeking valid and succinct argument. That, plus the style instantly evaporated any empathy for your perspective, hence my posting. It may only be a blog, but a blog that has been made available for public consumption. The purpose of your posting was to address the points raised in the programme and, by doing so, establish your views. The style of writing reflected an assumed superiority that may well exist, but was not made apparent.

One "eminent" scientist protesting at misrepresentation does not invalidate all contributions, nor does the complete lack of rebuttal for the statement that many signatories to the latest IPCC report did not support its conclusions. If that is a false claim too, then I need someone who knows the truth to tell me. I do not presently possess the means to determine that myself. I will, if time permits, seek a copy of the IPCC report, but suspect it will prove far beyond my understanding.

If it occurred to you that there are many like me seeking a reasoned and balanced argument without the attitude, then my penultimate contribution to this website served its purpose.

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Please circulate this email to as many people you know as possible.

It appears that the recent Channel 4 and More4 documentary "The Great Global Warming Swindle" has left many viewers doubting that today's climate change is largely humanly caused. In this email, anyone so affected by the programme is urged to view the following information:

1. An introduction to the flaws of the programme. http://climatedenial.org/2007/03/09/the-great-channel-four-swindle/ (or Google "climate denial", go to 9 Mar post.)

2. How a similar docu on Channel 4 by the same director Martin Durkin in 1997 was rapped by the ITC, in particular for misleading four featured interviewees and distorting their views. See Parags. 8-11 of http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2001694,00.html

3. Prof. Carl Wunsch says: I was misled and misrepresented in the 'swindle' documentary http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/climate_change/article2347526.ece

4. http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=414 (or Google "Realclimate", go to 9 Mar post.) Climate scientists' view of some of the key flawed or discredited claims made by the programme (some of which you may have seen elsewhere). A site praised by Scientific American, with explanations for the medieval grapes, why Thames stopped freezing, and loads more.

5. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3268874#post3268874 - with THAT graph clearly explained, plus a clear guide to the links of some of the interviewees.

6. Royal Society and science academies around the world joint statement on climate change: http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/news.asp?id=3226 (or via Google "Royal Society").

7. A blog discussion on the programme, including details of apparent breaches of the Broadcasting Code, and how to complain. http://portal.campaigncc.org/node/1820 (or Google "Climate Campaign Portal".)

Increase the peace!

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Sheumais,

The Campaign against Climate Change is a group of Climate Change campaigners. We don't make any claim to be Climatologists, let alone Paleoclimatologists.

This Portal is for Climate Change Activists, those of us in CCC who are actively working on Climate Change issues, to share news and views.

We are not the highest authority on any subject, although we all seem to have very strong and highly correlated opinions. That's not to say that we agree on everything, and so to keep the discussions nice and polite, we do try to keep this weblog (blog) fairly lighthearted and relaxed.

The purpose of this particular thread of the weblog is to collect together all the links to people who are busy debunking and deconstructing and negatively critiquing the Channel 4 film "The Great Global Warming Swindle" .

You will find links to websites and archives where people with much greater claim to the higher echelons of truth are writing - people actively engaged in Climate Change research - people who have degrees and doctorates in various aspects of Climatology.

There are now several places online where far more of the film has been debunked than I will ever have time to. Please read the whole of this blog page and follow the links. It may seem tiresome, but Climate Change is a pretty large and all-encompassing subject, and there is much to read and learn. Myself, I am only in the foothills of understanding.

But, with a high school grasp of physics, chemistry and geography, you can for yourself debunk the swindlous film. So I highly recommend that you refresh your mind if you studied these subjects, or read them up if you didn't.

Many of the assertions and arguments in the film have been used by sceptics (skeptics in the USA) over the last 15 years. They have also regularly been debunked (shown to be false) over the last 15 years. Plus, the whole science of climatology has evolved over the last 15 years, so the truth has gradually been improved and modified.

Yes, the IPCC Report might well seem complex, but by looking up a few key terms and expressions, you will be able to understand its main thrust. It took me quite a while to get into the 2001 IPCC report, and when I did, it took me a while to reflect on how diverse statements in the report linked together to produce a worrying whole.

You have a brain, clearly, so I recommend you use it.

When I get the chance, I'm going to attach a diagram of the global Carbon Cycle, simplified in the extreme, drawn by my colleague Dr Al Rodger, who works for the campaign group "Take Global Warming Seriously" and is a member of Poole Agenda 21. He knows a thing or two about Global Warming. Well, he knows thousands of things about Global Warming, actually, far more than I do.

http://portal.campaigncc.org/node/1824

There's a lot of Carbon cycling in and out of the Oceans, Biomass, Soils and Atmosphere, but the key fact to note is that there is rapid destabilising accumulation of Carbon Dioxide in the Atmosphere. This is mostly the fault of human activities such as burning Fossil Fuels, logging rainforest, changing the uses of land, intensive agriculture. But the worst of these is : burning Fossil Fuels.

In the mean time, try to follow George Monbiot's arguments :-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2032575,00.html

as he is on the ball, on the money, and on the side of right.

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Yes, Jim man,

INCREASE THE PEACE indeed !

however, don't let go of the ball.

CARRY ON CLIMATE CHANGING !

hang on, that's two-sided...

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George Monbiot has a good piece here
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2032575,00.html

and David Miliband said on R4 Today that he's going to put something on his blog.

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More from the OTHER George, George Marshall :-

http://coinet.org.uk/information/swindleresponse

By the way, John, if you check the timestamp on my first entry today, you'll see I put the George Monbiot link in BEFORE you did ! Aha ! Beat you !

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If you missed this swindlous film and want to comment here on some of what I believe is its "farcical pseudo-science", come on down ! Here's the full film :-

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-4520665474899458831

Watch it in chunks if you find it irritating, and don't let it anger you so much you steam from your ears.

And remember, CHECK THE SCIENCE, cos it seems to me that the film glosses over some things, mixes some things up, and over-simplifies some things - or just plain gets some things wrong.

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Here's one further bit of ammunition to add to anyone's C4 complaint log, cribbed from my own complaint, as follows:

"We hear that Channel 4 is suffering from a bank balance which has been rapidly sliding into the red. Could it now be that your Chief of Finance, coupled with the Board of Directors is jumping up and down with glee at the free publicity caused by the current furore against your programme? The prospect of BIG sales to climate-denying US networks beckons. Or has it already been pre-sold?"

Flipside Vision

Flipside Vision

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On R4 Today, a Channel 4 representative said that the programme represented the view of a minority of scientists and that the Channel 4 charter obliged them to represent the views of minority groups. I think that is a fair comment. They also appear to have moved from their previous position (see above) which was 'This is a controversial film but we feel that it is important that all sides of the debate are aired'.

Had Channel 4 called the programme 'A public service broadcast on climate change' instead of the 'Great Global Warming Swindle', a few of us could have watched the programme out of curiosity and everybody else could have watched East Enders or something. Everyone would have been happy apart from the bean counters at Channel 4.

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Like Jo above, Steve Connor in today's Independent has done a graph by graph analysis of the programme. It appears that Durkin's graphics team had been very busy. Think you have to buy the paper, cannot find them online.

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I won't pretend that i`m glad this documentary was made--i`m not--but its impacts on peoples opinions are likely far from simple.

It is difficult to guess what effect this will have on the --large majority--of uk residence who believe climate change is a problem but don't understand the details or the seriousness. It is quite possible that this documentary has been highly polarising, with people moving to more skeptic and more convinced positions based on previous beliefs. It is also likely that many people who thought climate change was a bit of a problem got online and searched for information, only to be convinced that it is a huge problem!

On a seperate note; those of you who know something about the US media landscape will realise that FOX NEWS is the ultra conservative, pro buisnes, pro republican station. It is now unabashedly concenred about climate change and framing the issue as one of solutions not debate.

Clip Here

This is superb! America is about to commit to a cap and trade system...most likely a weak one but international agreement must flow. This will surely lead to a global deal (Europe has jumped, once the US joins us it is down to negotiations with India and China) i`m optimistic that there will be a deal very soon.

The pace of this whole area is about to increase dramatically!

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I noted in a previous thread about editorial control in Rupert Murdoch's empire which includes Fox. Some time last summer, Murdoch hosted a gala screening of An Inconvenient Truth with Al Gore present.

It appears Rupert Murdoch underwent a conversion on the issue, because fairly soon after, The Sun and News of the World were doing features on the importance of climate change and cutting emissions. News of the World even featured Mark Lynas' Jacabamba glacier pictures. The Sun highlighted a finding of an opinion poll conducted for them by CommunicateResearch that a majority of Britons were willing to fly abroad less on holiday if it would help save the environment. Although they partly used it to promote a UK holiday parks offer.

Last weekend's News of the World, however slammed the Conservatives' new aviation tax plans. Be worth a few people complaining to the former about this.